Isn't that same sort of thinking with chip and PIN! RNIB campaigns for chip and signature, with reason that not all the blind visually impaired are able to use chip and PIN. However, the reasoning is surly flawed because those that claim unable to use a key pad, how many of those are able to use a telephone? The point being if one is able to use telephone then one must be able to use a key pad. I suggest the learning of layout for chip and PIN key pad, is easy if one already knows the layout for a telephone buttons! Of course there will be people blind visually impaired that simply don't want to use chip and PIN, but that's just as true for sighted people. What do others think, is chip and PIN really and truly difficult to use for those with little or no sight? As a totally blind user, Chip and Pin is great. I personally hate signing my name. My signature is never quite the same each time, and I've always had a problem in having to sign in a format which I don't use in my daily living. If in doubt, I always ask the person at the till whether I've found the enter button before typing in my number. I only have 1 card so so far I don't have to worry about different numbers. I really don't understand how people have difficulties withthe keypads unless you try to use any limited vision which may not be enough to see it clearly. that's not something I have to worry about. Jill. Regards, Derek e-mail: derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 01/04/05 ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq