Yes Ray
I'd like to endorce the Marks & Spencer keypads. By far the best I've come across, with notably larger keys than the rest of them, with a propper guard round the device. I certainly cannot see the display but I've always been told by the till person when to enter my number without asking, so that's never raised a problem for me.
I find it very hard to understand why some cannot get used to it, but strangely it does seem to disconfort some people. Ray
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: chip and PIN
Hi George,
As others on the list have said, there is some variation in the lay-out of different keypads. However, I've not yet found one without a raised mark on the five button. Although, as I said earlier, I have a small amount of sight, I rely entirely on touch for using the C&P pads. One other inconsistency I've noted is that on some systems, notably the one in Marks & Spencer, there is a beep at the point at which you're asked to enter your PIN. Others don't have this.
-----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell Sent: 04 April 2005 12:54 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: chip and PIN
Hi Derek,
You've hit the nail on the head with that analogy of using a telephone.
I've been specifically looking at many different machines, and in common with telephones I've seen, all have a raised dot on the number 5 key.
So what's the real problem?
George.
they-----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Derek Hornby Sent: 04 April 2005 12:44 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] chip and PIN
Hi Steve >I believe that if people see there is an accessible site,>sometimes assume that the main site isn't accessible, oris lessnot>accessible, which is > a logical assumption, because they then wonder why an accessible site > was needed at all, if the main site is less accessible.
Isn't that same sort of thinking with chip and PIN!
RNIB campaigns for chip and signature, with reason thatall the blind visually impaired are able to use chip andPIN.toHowever, the reasoning is surly flawed because those that claim unable to use a key pad, how many of those are ablepad,use a telephone? The point being if one is able to use telephone then one must be able to use a key pad.
I suggest the learning of layout for chip and PIN keyis easy if one already knows the layout for a telephonebuttons!that
Of course there will be people blind visually impairedlink:-simply don't want to use chip and PIN, but that's just as true for sighted people.
What do others think, is chip and PIN really and truly difficult to use for those with little or no sight? Regards, Derek
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