[access-uk] Re: no discussion regarding accessability on the latest windows consumer preview breaffing by microsoft
- From: Shaun O'Connor <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:13:39 +0000
it gets worse. but, that would take us way off topic!!
On 22/01/2015 18:01, Mike Ray wrote:
> And of course the likes of Microsoft are trying very hard to make UEFI
> an opportunity to make it impossible to ever install another operating
> system on the machine.
>
>
> On 22/01/2015 17:47, Shaun O'Connor wrote:
>> over time the original BIOS will be phased out and be replaced with
>> uefi.( this phase of transition began, I think in 2011 )
>> For the geeks among you UEFI stands for unified extensible firmware
>> interface.
>>
>> the logic behind this transition is that BIOS is inherently insecure,
>> On 22/01/2015 17:30, Steve Nutt wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Also, some PCs now have Windows utilities that allow you to access the BIOS
>>> from within Windows itself.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>> Mike Ray
>>> Sent: 22 January 2015 16:00
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: no discussion regarding accessability on the latest
>>> windows consumer preview breaffing by microsoft
>>>
>>>
>>> You're need to get sighted assistance to make BIOS changes has nothing
>>> to do with Windows.
>>>
>>> Last weekend I gave a presentation at the Portsmouth Linux User Group
>>> about accessibility on Linux. I took a spare laptop along because I
>>> needed BIOS help, which, believe me, galls me because I flatly refuse to
>>> use a Linux distro I can't install without sighted assistance.
>>>
>>> If you have a Mac on which BIOS settings are accessible then that is
>>> likely to be more to do with the machine architecture than the OS.
>>>
>>> MS should have included at least a statement of the state of the
>>> accessibility sub-system. For example...I am curious to know whether
>>> Windows 10 still includes MSAA or has it switched entirely to UIA?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22/01/2015 15:46, David Griffith wrote:
>>>> I disagree. Microsoft still have a lot to do.
>>>> Since 2011 I have never had to employ support for any issues on my Mac
>>>> because Accessibility is built into the OS across the system. So for
>>>> example, when a problem occurred with my OS last year I was able to
>>>> format my primary drive and download and install a completely fresh copy
>>>> of Mac OS and then restore all my apps and data without any sighted
>>>> help. This is possible on the Mac because Accessibility support is
>>>> inbuilt across the OS.
>>>>
>>>> On Windows the situation is completely different. For example I know of
>>>> no accessible way of looking at BIOS settings. So in the same period I
>>>> have on average had to employ assistance fairly regularly to cope with
>>>> problems which arise with my Windows PC. None of these issues are beyond
>>>> me technically but simply require someone with sight to resolve. I
>>>> thought I had protected myself with a combination of Re-image and
>>>> Snapshot packages on the windows side but as I discovered a couple of
>>>> weeks ago it takes only a minor hardware glitch for these packages to
>>>> fall over despite these precautions. In this situations the images
>>>> become useless and a new install is required. . Then once again the
>>>> need for sighted help re-emerges.
>>>> People are trying to develop talking windows installers but Microsoft
>>>> should embed this accessibility into all its installation packages.
>>>>
>>>> David Griffith
>>>>
>>>> On 22/01/2015 12:35, Steve Nutt wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Who cares? We don't need one. Just download NVDA.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>> Austin Pinto
>>>>> Sent: 22 January 2015 08:49
>>>>> To: A general technology discussion list; access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
>>>>> AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>>>>> the
>>>>> disabled.; BGZ - You don't have to be a geek to love it here.; chaaru
>>>>> surendrababu; Christopher Hallsworth; keyboardusers; list;
>>>>> nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; sayeverything;
>>>>> nvda-winten@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] no discussion regarding accessability on the latest
>>>>> windows consumer preview breaffing by microsoft
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>> First of all want to apologize for cross posting but want to raise an
>>>>> important question.
>>>>> For all who have not watched the presentation that Microsoft put out
>>>>> regarding the win 10 consumer preview this is the audio link.
>>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16617710/videoplayback.m4a
>>>>> Note.
>>>>> The presentation is a full presentation without the cutting off of the
>>>>> question answer session
>>>>> I have only converted into audio so that it becomes small to download.
>>>>> The original video presentation is about 1.35 GB
>>>>> In the entire presentation of about 2hrs 19 min and 23 seconds
>>>>> Microsoft has not discussed on accessibility or regarding adding a
>>>>> screen reader to windows 10 and I mean full fledge screen reader.
>>>>> So now what do we do next.
>>>>> Although there are some fantastic things in this presentation will not
>>>>> spoil the excitement watch and see
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