[access-uk] Re: no discussion regarding accessability on the latest windows consumer preview breaffing by microsoft
- From: Mike Ray <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:01:23 +0000
And of course the likes of Microsoft are trying very hard to make UEFI
an opportunity to make it impossible to ever install another operating
system on the machine.
On 22/01/2015 17:47, Shaun O'Connor wrote:
> over time the original BIOS will be phased out and be replaced with
> uefi.( this phase of transition began, I think in 2011 )
> For the geeks among you UEFI stands for unified extensible firmware
> interface.
>
> the logic behind this transition is that BIOS is inherently insecure,
> On 22/01/2015 17:30, Steve Nutt wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Also, some PCs now have Windows utilities that allow you to access the BIOS
>> from within Windows itself.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> Mike Ray
>> Sent: 22 January 2015 16:00
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: no discussion regarding accessability on the latest
>> windows consumer preview breaffing by microsoft
>>
>>
>> You're need to get sighted assistance to make BIOS changes has nothing
>> to do with Windows.
>>
>> Last weekend I gave a presentation at the Portsmouth Linux User Group
>> about accessibility on Linux. I took a spare laptop along because I
>> needed BIOS help, which, believe me, galls me because I flatly refuse to
>> use a Linux distro I can't install without sighted assistance.
>>
>> If you have a Mac on which BIOS settings are accessible then that is
>> likely to be more to do with the machine architecture than the OS.
>>
>> MS should have included at least a statement of the state of the
>> accessibility sub-system. For example...I am curious to know whether
>> Windows 10 still includes MSAA or has it switched entirely to UIA?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On 22/01/2015 15:46, David Griffith wrote:
>>> I disagree. Microsoft still have a lot to do.
>>> Since 2011 I have never had to employ support for any issues on my Mac
>>> because Accessibility is built into the OS across the system. So for
>>> example, when a problem occurred with my OS last year I was able to
>>> format my primary drive and download and install a completely fresh copy
>>> of Mac OS and then restore all my apps and data without any sighted
>>> help. This is possible on the Mac because Accessibility support is
>>> inbuilt across the OS.
>>>
>>> On Windows the situation is completely different. For example I know of
>>> no accessible way of looking at BIOS settings. So in the same period I
>>> have on average had to employ assistance fairly regularly to cope with
>>> problems which arise with my Windows PC. None of these issues are beyond
>>> me technically but simply require someone with sight to resolve. I
>>> thought I had protected myself with a combination of Re-image and
>>> Snapshot packages on the windows side but as I discovered a couple of
>>> weeks ago it takes only a minor hardware glitch for these packages to
>>> fall over despite these precautions. In this situations the images
>>> become useless and a new install is required. . Then once again the
>>> need for sighted help re-emerges.
>>> People are trying to develop talking windows installers but Microsoft
>>> should embed this accessibility into all its installation packages.
>>>
>>> David Griffith
>>>
>>> On 22/01/2015 12:35, Steve Nutt wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Who cares? We don't need one. Just download NVDA.
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>>
>>>> Steve
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> Austin Pinto
>>>> Sent: 22 January 2015 08:49
>>>> To: A general technology discussion list; access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
>>>> AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>>>> the
>>>> disabled.; BGZ - You don't have to be a geek to love it here.; chaaru
>>>> surendrababu; Christopher Hallsworth; keyboardusers; list;
>>>> nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; sayeverything;
>>>> nvda-winten@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] no discussion regarding accessability on the latest
>>>> windows consumer preview breaffing by microsoft
>>>>
>>>> Hi all.
>>>> First of all want to apologize for cross posting but want to raise an
>>>> important question.
>>>> For all who have not watched the presentation that Microsoft put out
>>>> regarding the win 10 consumer preview this is the audio link.
>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16617710/videoplayback.m4a
>>>> Note.
>>>> The presentation is a full presentation without the cutting off of the
>>>> question answer session
>>>> I have only converted into audio so that it becomes small to download.
>>>> The original video presentation is about 1.35 GB
>>>> In the entire presentation of about 2hrs 19 min and 23 seconds
>>>> Microsoft has not discussed on accessibility or regarding adding a
>>>> screen reader to windows 10 and I mean full fledge screen reader.
>>>> So now what do we do next.
>>>> Although there are some fantastic things in this presentation will not
>>>> spoil the excitement watch and see
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