Hi, Also, some PCs now have Windows utilities that allow you to access the BIOS from within Windows itself. All the best Steve -- Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 Email: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Ray Sent: 22 January 2015 16:00 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: no discussion regarding accessability on the latest windows consumer preview breaffing by microsoft You're need to get sighted assistance to make BIOS changes has nothing to do with Windows. Last weekend I gave a presentation at the Portsmouth Linux User Group about accessibility on Linux. I took a spare laptop along because I needed BIOS help, which, believe me, galls me because I flatly refuse to use a Linux distro I can't install without sighted assistance. If you have a Mac on which BIOS settings are accessible then that is likely to be more to do with the machine architecture than the OS. MS should have included at least a statement of the state of the accessibility sub-system. For example...I am curious to know whether Windows 10 still includes MSAA or has it switched entirely to UIA? Mike On 22/01/2015 15:46, David Griffith wrote: > I disagree. Microsoft still have a lot to do. > Since 2011 I have never had to employ support for any issues on my Mac > because Accessibility is built into the OS across the system. So for > example, when a problem occurred with my OS last year I was able to > format my primary drive and download and install a completely fresh copy > of Mac OS and then restore all my apps and data without any sighted > help. This is possible on the Mac because Accessibility support is > inbuilt across the OS. > > On Windows the situation is completely different. For example I know of > no accessible way of looking at BIOS settings. So in the same period I > have on average had to employ assistance fairly regularly to cope with > problems which arise with my Windows PC. None of these issues are beyond > me technically but simply require someone with sight to resolve. I > thought I had protected myself with a combination of Re-image and > Snapshot packages on the windows side but as I discovered a couple of > weeks ago it takes only a minor hardware glitch for these packages to > fall over despite these precautions. In this situations the images > become useless and a new install is required. . Then once again the > need for sighted help re-emerges. > People are trying to develop talking windows installers but Microsoft > should embed this accessibility into all its installation packages. > > David Griffith > > On 22/01/2015 12:35, Steve Nutt wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Who cares? We don't need one. Just download NVDA. >> >> All the best >> >> Steve >> >> -- >> Computer Room Services >> 77 Exeter Close >> Stevenage >> Hertfordshire >> SG1 4PW >> Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 >> Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 >> Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 >> Email: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >> Behalf Of >> Austin Pinto >> Sent: 22 January 2015 08:49 >> To: A general technology discussion list; access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; >> AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning >> the >> disabled.; BGZ - You don't have to be a geek to love it here.; chaaru >> surendrababu; Christopher Hallsworth; keyboardusers; list; >> nvda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; sayeverything; >> nvda-winten@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] no discussion regarding accessability on the latest >> windows consumer preview breaffing by microsoft >> >> Hi all. >> First of all want to apologize for cross posting but want to raise an >> important question. >> For all who have not watched the presentation that Microsoft put out >> regarding the win 10 consumer preview this is the audio link. >> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16617710/videoplayback.m4a >> Note. >> The presentation is a full presentation without the cutting off of the >> question answer session >> I have only converted into audio so that it becomes small to download. >> The original video presentation is about 1.35 GB >> In the entire presentation of about 2hrs 19 min and 23 seconds >> Microsoft has not discussed on accessibility or regarding adding a >> screen reader to windows 10 and I mean full fledge screen reader. >> So now what do we do next. >> Although there are some fantastic things in this presentation will not >> spoil the excitement watch and see >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> ** and in the Subject line type >> ** unsubscribe >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >> ** immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >> ** or send a message, to >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >> >> >> >> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> ** and in the Subject line type >> ** unsubscribe >> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >> ** immediately-following link:- >> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >> ** or send a message, to >> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >> > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > -- Michael A. 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