[AR] Re: ... Coronavirus

  • From: Rand Simberg <simberg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 20:28:02 -0700

Thank you, Satadru; I've seen that as well.

It is likely important info.

On 3/24/20 8:25 PM, Satadru Pramanik wrote:

Hello all, I'm a long time lurker but wanted to pass along this info I found today on sterilizing masks. (This is particularly relevant to me as I'm in NYC, and I was using rubbing alcohol in a spray bottle on my N-95 respirator until earlier today.)

As per a Stanford Medicine document dated March 22, baking N-95 masks/respirators at 70C is far superior to using alcohol (type not specified) for disinfection. See pages 4/5 in the linked document for summarized data on the effects of various disinfection methods on filtration efficiency which leads to this:

Conclusions: DO NOT use alcohol and chlorine-based disinfection methods. These will remove the static charge in the microfibers in N95 facial masks, reducing filtration efficiency. In
addition, chlorine also retains gas after de-contamination and these fumes may be harmful.

Source: https://m.box.com/shared_item/https%3A%2F%2Fstanfordmedicine.box.com%2Fv%2Fcovid19-PPE-1-1?fbclid=IwAR2JY50gKPTJ4-7uR7nAw2aPEBrFp4B6v3WTi91S5A3WzADCl-QDG-PIfuA

Best,
Satadru

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 4:13 PM Henry Vanderbilt <hvanderbilt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:hvanderbilt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    On 3/22/2020 1:32 PM, William Claybaugh wrote:
    > Norman, Rand:
    >
    > Please correct me if I’ve got this wrong but it has previously
    been my
    > understanding that only a Level 3 or better facility has in place
    > filters capable of capturing virus particles.  This based on a
    visit
    > to a Level 4 facility.
    >
    > I have previously understood that no face mask can filter virus
    > particles and that conventional face masks create, after a few
    minutes
    > use, exactly the warm and wet environment in which bacteria and
    > viruses thrive.

    Technical point: Bacteria can thrive in warm and wet. Viruses require
    living host cells they can hijack before they can reproduce.  But
    yes, a
    mask can trap and hold viable viruses.

    So the thing to watch for in the current instance:  do NOT touch the
    exterior filter surfaces of a mask, while it's in use, or in removing
    it, as it may well have collected some viable amount of virus. 
    Handle
    by edges or straps, then either dispose of (if you're lucky enough to
    have plenty) or sterilize for reuse.  And after you've been out where
    you need a mask, after carefully removing the mask, immediately wash
    your hands then the exposed parts of your face.  If there's virus
    on the
    mask there may also be some on exposed skin.

    Laundering in hot water with plenty of soap/detergent works for cloth
    masks.  For paper, water (or steam) damages the fine paper
    structure and
    greatly reduces filter efficiency.  I've settled on a light spray of
    isopropyl then air-drying thoroughly to stretch my limited supply.
    (Rubbing alcohol in a dollar-store spray bottle.) Be advised I'm
    guessing that's effective but can't prove it.

    FWIW, I've seen a ref to hospital use of UV irradiation at a suitable
    frequency being specifically effective for sterilization of nominally
    disposable masks for reuse in the current emergency.


    >
    > The utility of such masks for medical personal is—as I
    > understand it—only to avoid sputum in the air from coughing.
    >
    > Is this all wrong?
    >

    Say, like much said on this matter, incomplete.  Short version: Some
    masks work better than other at reducing odds of either inhaling or
    emitting a sufficient-for-infection dose of viruses. ALL work better
    than no mask, as long as you avoid touching the filter surfaces
    during/after use and sterilize the mask before reuse.  And the net
    effect for an individual of masking is reduced odds of either
    giving or
    receiving infection.  For a community, widespread masking usefully
    reduces that community's R0.  Not necessarily sufficient of itself to
    reduce R0 below 1, but every bit helps.

    IOW, people should stop letting "perfect" be the enemy of useful.
    Masks
    are Part Of This Complete R0 Transmission-Rate Reduction Program.

    Henry



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