Dale is correct. At least for now, DBS provides only the NTSC channels for its local-into-local services. The only exception I'm familiar with is that DirecTV carries the CBS-E and CBS-W feeds in HD, and if you are market where the CBS station is an O&O, you can receive the national HD feed (E or W, as appropriate for your location). (Not sure, but Dish probably has the same deal.)=20 AFAIK, all HD STBs for DBS include an ATSC tuner, and most (all?) integrate the two tuners' into a single EPG. This is not hard for the STBs to do, because I believe they receive all EPG data -- including that for the local DTV channels -- from the sat provider, not from PSIP. Note also that the new HD PVR from DirecTV/TiVo includes not one but *two* ATSC tuners (along with two sat tuners), so all PVR functionality is the same for both sat and local channels. (The original design had two sat tuners but only one ATSC tuner, and DirecTV elected to miss the Xmas 2003 retail window to retool the unit with a second ATSC tuner. It started shipping last month, with a price tag of around $1k.) Finally, my $.02 on the reason why some consumers might ignore the ATSC feature: 1) The sat channels are always there (except for brief rain-fade outages), while the terrestrial channels might come and go depending on your location and other variables (that certainly has been my experience, anyway); 2) The HD sat channels are ALWAYS running HD content (ESPN-HD is the one exception, and it's soon going to be "mostly" HD), while the terrestrial channels still run more SD than HD content. (The latter is also changing for the better as time goes on, but still a long ways from all-HD-all-the-time, or even -most-of-the-time). --SP Skip Pizzi=20 Manager, Technical Policy Windows Client Strategic Relations Microsoft Corp. -----Original Message----- From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dale Kelly Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 1:50 PM To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: --FCC OKs WiFi between TV channels Dale Kelly" <res0xtey@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [opendtv] Re: --FCC OKs WiFi between TV channels > Craig wrote: > > And, it is not as if these folks have no other option than an=20 > > antenna. If they live in the top 50 markets they can get their=20 > > locals from the DBS provider without the hassle of putting up an antenna. > > And some upscale homes keep the basic cable service to get their=20 > > locals. But, can they receive the local stations network HDTV signals thru DBS or cable, which I believe was the crux of John's original posting? =20 Except in limited cases I believe that the answer is no, these sources do not supply the local stations DTV services. Dale Kelly =20 =20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org=20 - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.