Hmmm...that's a good point. It is rather self-conflicting. Perhaps we could say that LW himself changed the hierarchy in the Kai monastery, as a result of his experiences, wisdom and influx of new understudies. The upshot is there is a lot different from the beginning of LW's training, and that of the New Order trainees... On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Benjamin I Krefetz <krefetz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > If I understand what you've said, your argument works in exactly the > opposite direction from what Joe has going on. LW's understudies are > required to have learned 3 _more_ Disciplines to attain the same levels of > Grand Mastery that LW did. > > Ben > > On Wed, 1 Apr 2009, Sam Seaver wrote: > >> I wonder if we can make a before/after distinction with regards to the >> Lodestones and/or the training from his wizardly companions, because, >> evidently, 'Silent' Wolf and his former mentors/companions did not >> have access to such knowledge/wisdom/training, so his understudies >> could become Kai Supreme Masters with less effort/discipline than LW >> did himself... >> >> Or does that not make sense? >> >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Benjamin I Krefetz >> <krefetz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 1 Apr 2009, Simon Osborne wrote: >>> >>>> And the footnotes and other non-errata. Some of those affect all 8 NO >>>> books. For example, how do we start the Levels of New Order Kai Grand >>>> Mastership at #4 instead of the usual #1? >>> >>> That's one that's really bugged me ever since the New Order books first >>> came >>> out. From an out-of-story perspective, Joe must've said something like, >>> "I >>> named 12 levels in the Grand Master series, but now I've added 4 >>> Disciplines >>> and still only have names for 12 levels. Guess I'll just shift them up >>> by >>> 3." >>> >>> This leads to other issues as well. E.g., improved Disciplines that Lone >>> Wolf got when he had 5 Disciplines, the New Order Kai can't get until >>> they've learned 8 Disciplines. And of course we have the ongoing debate >>> about how one can be a Kai Supreme Master when one's only learned 15 of >>> 16 >>> Disciplines. >>> >>> My personal vote is to leave everything in this department as is, simply >>> because the New Order series isn't complete, so we don't know how Joe's >>> going to handle it in the remaining 4 books. Once 29tsoc is released, we >>> can go back and change 21-28 to agree if Joe's made any changes to the >>> table. >>> >>> Ben >>> >>> ~~~~~~ >>> Manage your subscription at http://www.freelists.org/list/projectaon >>> >>> >>> >> >> ~~~~~~ >> Manage your subscription at http://www.freelists.org/list/projectaon >> > ~~~~~~ Manage your subscription at http://www.freelists.org/list/projectaon