My own rationale would be more 'holistic' - the god Kai imbued the Sommlending with innate/latent special skills and powers. But there were not a set fixed number of these: when the Sommlending founded their Kai Monastry, the monastry's main role was to find promising children and hone and bring out their latent skills. To do this most systematically, they artificially grouped the skills into particular Disciplines and Lore Circles, which tutors focussing on particular areas. However this demarcation is an artificial construct of the Monastry. When the Monastry was destroyed, Lone Wolf had to teach himself the rest of the basic Kai Disciplines from memory, and he was able to use the Book of Magnakai and the Lorestones to attain the Magnakai Disciplines that his tutors would otherwise have taught him. However he then basically made the Grandmaster Disciplines up himself ;) (and as Timothy notes, added some Old Kingdom & Left-handed magic to his tool box) As he re-populated the monastry, the next generation of Kai may have decided to re-jig these into a new set of formal disciplines that was found to me more applicable to the average Kai Lord's talents, rather than what Lone Wolf had come up with. ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy Pederick To: projectaon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 4:01 PM Subject: [projectaon] Re: 21votm errata I think we all know why the Discipline counts were different for New Order Grand Masters: expediency. Joe Dever wanted to add some new Disciplines, so he just rejigged the rank chart to account for them. As for an in-universe explanation? That is a thornier problem, but IMO, it's not our problem. We're each free to come up with whatever explanation satisfies our own desire for internal consistency; I don't think it's PA's job to provide that for readers. And I say this as someone who does like to search for the internally-consistent explanation. :-) If you want my in-universe explanation... the best I've come up with is to consider Kai-alchemy and Magi-magic as "extra" Disciplines, on top of the "core" ten Kai Disciplines. Part of becoming a Grand Master was branching out into the lore of other traditions; Lone Wolf had Banedon and Rimoah around, so Brotherhood and Old Kingdom magic were obvious choices. New Order Grand Masters have these two to choose from, plus Astrology, Herbmastery, Elementalism and Bardsmanship -- maybe they had a Sage, a Herbwarden, and a couple of others come along to teach them. In any case, Lone Wolf decreed, with Kai's guidance, that New Order Grand Masters should master five other paths rather than just two. Of course, this doesn't explain why it's possible to master all six and not take one of the "core" Kai Disciplines. And it doesn't explain why a Kai Grand Master Senior now starts with four Disciplines. You could say that they start their training in the "extra" Disciplines while still Magnakai, but that would suggest they should start with three "non-core" Disciplines -- I certainly never did this!