James watch and listen to the videos on his site. He states within those video that once the system is up and ruling that it then need needs no outside source to run it. Therefore "over unity". The one caveat here is that unlike a perpetual motion machine there is no drag or resistance to affect the outcome, but none the less, he still states he gets more out than he puts in.
and as a reference...http://goodmath.scientopia.org/2014/01/14/the-latest-update-in-the-hydrino-saga/
At 07:45 PM 3/19/2015, you wrote:
Yes there is a lot of "power from water" foment out there. That doesn't mean it is all the same. The Mills theory is based on below-ground-state fractional Rydberg states of hydrogen which can be reached by energy transfer to a receptor above-ground-state ionization in a catalyst which then releases the photon. The Mills theory may be wrong but I'm unaware that the achievement of below-ground-state fractional Rydeberg states is theoretically a violation of conservation of energy. I'd be most intrigued to see the derivation.On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Monroe L. King Jr. <<mailto:monroe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>monroe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:HHO practically insures an overunity experiment because the bond of water is just too strong to indicate anything else!  Monroe > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [AR] Re: Mills Fuel Experiment > From: James Bowery <<mailto:jabowery@xxxxxxxxx>jabowery@xxxxxxxxx> > Date: Thu, March 19, 2015 6:24 pm > To: arocket <<mailto:arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Please provide a link to the derivation of this over-unity implication. >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:13 PM, <<mailto:qbert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>qbert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:> > > I'd be very speculative of his work, although he's never said it> > publicly, if you follow his line of thinking you get an over unity device.> > > > At 06:57 PM 3/19/2015, you wrote: > > > > For those willing to entertain a speculative fuel -- one which has a > > potential exhaust velocity (specific energy) of tens of km/s: > >> > Readingà H2O-Based Solid Fuel Power Source Based on the Catalysis of H by> > HOH Catalyst> > <<http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/papers/SunCellPaper.pdf>http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/papers/SunCellPaper.pdf>Ã> > and thinking about what might constitute a relatively simple and > > inexpensive qualitative demonstration, it occurs to me that if (as is > > indicated by Table 1) titanium is acting as a Mills catalyst, a pure Ti+H > > system based on atomic hydrogen welding (AHW) may be worth a try for the > > following reasons: > > > > > >  - In AHW, the shielding gas is hydrogen. > >  - The tungsten electrodes could be replaced by titanium electrodes > >  feeding in at a higher rate. > >  - Rather than nano-titanium the catalytic surface is vaporized > >  titanium atà 3,287ðC -- a temperature readily achievable by AHW.> >  - Being shielded from oxygen by the hydrogen flow, titanium oxidation > >  is avoided thereby avoiding a major confounding process and variable.> >  - The power into the AHW apparatus therefore takes two easily > >  meterable forms:à > >    - electric power from the wall andà > >    - hydrogen gas > >  - The power out of the AHW apparatus should be dominated by light, > >  which is also easily meterable. > >  - Finally, and perhaps most decisively, the peak temperature should > >  exceed that achievable by AHW. > > > > > > Further on in the same paper, Figure 10 may indicate a superior fuel > > mixture of: > > > > 50 mg NH4NO3 + KOH + KCl (2:1:1 wt.) + 15 mg H2Oà > > > >