[vicsireland] Re: debate on vics and E.G.M
- From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra <omeadhrac@xxxxxxx>
- To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 21:58:07 +0100
Kerie,
Just to let you know that I am here and see your message. You have my full
support for your position.
All the best,
Cearbhall
M: 0833323487 t: (01) 2864623 em: omeadhrac@xxxxxxx
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[mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kerie Doyle
Sent: 06 April 2014 20:47
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Subject: [vicsireland] Re: debate on vics and E.G.M
Gerard�
I will need some time to process your email, I will respond to you when I have
time to gather my thoughts.�
For now though, I am going to ask you to please stop insisting that we have our
EGM online, and also to leave the idea that the running of VICS is all down to
the committee aside. This is not true and not constructive.�
I will respond to the rest of your items soon�
Kerie�
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Apr 2014, at 08:23 p.m., GERARD SHANAHAN <gershan@xxxxxx> wrote:
Hi All,
�
Back again to try and whet your appetites for a debate on the topics of
having the meeting online and the future of vicsireland website and list.
�
1.� Regarding the meeting, Kerie, I hear what you are saying but I
strongly request that you consider my suggestion.� I don't know the numbers of
members but I'm sure that if you review the membership,�you will note that
there are a large contingent of people who have� or do not attend regularly, on
the basis that they feel the effort involved in making the meeting i.e. trains,
taxis a few hours in�Dublin would be too great an effort.� This is no
reflection on you or any committee members just that they have no aspirations
to be on committees but would be willing to work with the committee on projects
on an email basis.I'd paraphrase this in saying that varying levels of vision
and mobility either enhance or hinder individuals - People please don't be
insulted as this is an observation.
�
2.� I mentioned the website, and Cearbhall
�
�explained that it was an experiment by a sub committee.� O.K. but
isn't it���a basic task of the committee to keep such tasks updated as part of
housekeeping if the capability is available to it?
�
3.� As a matter of point to the mailing list, Most queries are answered
by other members but I did notice a request for information on windows 8 and
menus on webpages recently which didn't receiveany response.� I was tempted to
reply giving my thoughts which were unexperienced due to only experiencing win
8 by chance and being an X.P. user myself.Shouldn't there be some mechanism by
which the knowledgable members of the committee would intervene and provide
info.
4.� You stated that you emailed the list at the beginning of the year
for ideas but nothing came out of it.� Shouldn't there be some kind of
consensis among the committee at the beginning of the year on areas to be
covered or projects to develop during the year.� There is a diverse range of
abilities among the list members whom I'm sure would work with committee
inspired projects, if they were approached.�
5.� Is the basis of the computer society eroded so much that it is
easier to such the web for answers than to develop what we have.� Simple answer
Yes, so what is the point, such an attitude
could have been taken years ago.� success comes with effort.
6.� Observing the responses to date, I believe that the numbers
involved have reduced in the society.� A committee has to consider where to
canvas for new sources of members, did the committee consider this point?
�
7.� What relationships or association has the society built up with
other groups, industry user groups ovr the years and what is the position
presently.
8.�In my reading of the constitution, you have to contact members at
least 3 weeks previous to any meeting.� Besides putting a notice on the mailing
list, Did the committee or you email all the members of vicsireland
individually to ensure that they are aware of the meeting?
9.� I've read the constitution and it�covers a great deal.���My
original observation in that I believe that a committee should be the driving
force rather than leaving it to the general membership is endorsed by the
wording of the constitution:�
2 AIMS & OBJECTIVES
list of 6 items
1.� To meet the needs of visually impaired
people in the area of general computer access.
2.� To provide support to those who are new to
computers.
3.� To encourage employers to hire visually
impaired employees enabled by new technology.
4.� To promote and where possible, assist in the
development of adaptive technology, and to encourage developers of new
software
and hardware to ensure accessibility.
5.� To act in an advisory capacity to bodies
seeking to provide access to electronic data.
6.� To advise on, and promote the development of
fully accessible websites.
There is plenty of topics that would keep any committee busy.�� Can you
provide any updates on recent developments under any of the headings?
�
9.�The constitution states that:� 2.� Nominations may be made for
persons not
present at the meeting, on receipt of written approval from the
nominee.� This in itself opens the door to having a meeting on line as if a
person is nominated and accepted while not being there, they are being
confirmed as part of the working group i.e. committee
��10.�Cearbhall suggest a project in developing the open source
software i.e. programs like Open office, mozilla, linox, N.V.D.A.� This is a
very interesting idea.� personally I wouldn't be great with the ligistics
involved, we could develop such a package on the basis that it could be applied
to the lower cost tablets for assisting individuals getting accustomed to
technology.
11.� What would people's attitude be to paid advertising on the website
to create a finance stream.�� The funds created could be used to finance
accessibility awards for design competitions for accessible software or
rewarding companies who make their websites accessible.� School competitions to
develop�accessible apps for USE BY BLIND PEOPLE OR BLIND USERS TO DEVELOP
APPS.� This thought comes from the recent email from Ronan
12.� So, If I nominate and get a seconder for someone who might not be
there on the day Will it be accepted?
13.� Damien suggested to Kerie that he would help with an agendafor the
meetingAlas Kerie says that there is only 1 item to be discussed:� there are
twelve items above to be considered.
14.� Martin pointed out to me that in the event of voting a separate
email would have to be used for all the votes. I think this would be fine,�
once the motion is in the header people can reply to the motion with yes or
no.�Alternatively, an email containing the motions can be forwarded to the
individuals on the list and they can put their preferred option in quotes
beside it.�
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