[vicsireland] Re: debate on vics and E.G.M
- From: pat mccarthy <patmk1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 08:56:53 +0100
in my opinion the problem with this group is it does very little else except
the email group and this group has helped me so much in the past– I hope it
continues.
I think the important thing is is there anybody reading this email who has the
time to 1
get more blind people to join the group
two
have the time to do anything else which might help this group
Gerard I think your ideas are very good and if you have the time and
inclination to join the committee you will have my support
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> On 7 Apr 2014, at 08:34 a.m., "Kerie Doyle" <kerie.doyle1987@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Tim,
> Thanks for confirming this.
> Much appreciated.
> Kerie
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 7 Apr 2014, at 08:29 a.m., Tim Culhane <tim.j.culhane@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gerry,
>>
>> Just in response to a couple of your points:
>>
>>
>> 8. In my reading of the constitution, you have to contact members at least 3
>> weeks previous to any meeting. Besides putting a notice on the mailing
>> list, Did the committee or you email all the members of vicsireland
>> individually to ensure that they are aware of the meeting?
>>
>>
>> All members are subscribed to the list, so there is no need to contact every
>> person individually to make them aware of the EGM. I do believe that this
>> has always been the way that members have been made aware of meetings.
>> As the list moderator I can verify that 97 people are currently subscribed
>> to the list. A person has to be a fully paid up member before they can be
>> subscribed to the list.
>>
>> 12. So, If I nominate and get a seconder for someone who might not be there
>> on the day Will it be accepted?
>>
>> Not sure what you mean by the above. There are no elections to the
>> committee to be held at the EGM, so why would anybody be nominated? Of
>> course, if a position needs to be filled on the committee then, of course, a
>> person can be nominated and seconded and does not need to be present as long
>> as they have given written consent in advance for the nomination.
>>
>> Tim
>> From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of GERARD SHANAHAN
>> Sent: 06 April 2014 20:23
>> To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [vicsireland] debate on vics and E.G.M
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Back again to try and whet your appetites for a debate on the topics of
>> having the meeting online and the future of vicsireland website and list.
>>
>> 1. Regarding the meeting, Kerie, I hear what you are saying but I strongly
>> request that you consider my suggestion. I don't know the numbers of
>> members but I'm sure that if you review the membership, you will note that
>> there are a large contingent of people who have or do not attend regularly,
>> on the basis that they feel the effort involved in making the meeting i.e.
>> trains, taxis a few hours in Dublin would be too great an effort. This is
>> no reflection on you or any committee members just that they have no
>> aspirations to be on committees but would be willing to work with the
>> committee on projects on an email basis.I'd paraphrase this in saying that
>> varying levels of vision and mobility either enhance or hinder individuals -
>> People please don't be insulted as this is an observation.
>>
>> 2. I mentioned the website, and Cearbhall
>>
>> explained that it was an experiment by a sub committee. O.K. but isn't it
>> a basic task of the committee to keep such tasks updated as part of
>> housekeeping if the capability is available to it?
>>
>> 3. As a matter of point to the mailing list, Most queries are answered by
>> other members but I did notice a request for information on windows 8 and
>> menus on webpages recently which didn't receiveany response. I was tempted
>> to reply giving my thoughts which were unexperienced due to only
>> experiencing win 8 by chance and being an X.P. user myself.Shouldn't there
>> be some mechanism by which the knowledgable members of the committee would
>> intervene and provide info.
>> 4. You stated that you emailed the list at the beginning of the year for
>> ideas but nothing came out of it. Shouldn't there be some kind of consensis
>> among the committee at the beginning of the year on areas to be covered or
>> projects to develop during the year. There is a diverse range of abilities
>> among the list members whom I'm sure would work with committee inspired
>> projects, if they were approached.
>> 5. Is the basis of the computer society eroded so much that it is easier to
>> such the web for answers than to develop what we have. Simple answer Yes,
>> so what is the point, such an attitude
>> could have been taken years ago. success comes with effort.
>> 6. Observing the responses to date, I believe that the numbers involved
>> have reduced in the society. A committee has to consider where to canvas
>> for new sources of members, did the committee consider this point?
>>
>> 7. What relationships or association has the society built up with other
>> groups, industry user groups ovr the years and what is the position
>> presently.
>> 8. In my reading of the constitution, you have to contact members at least 3
>> weeks previous to any meeting. Besides putting a notice on the mailing
>> list, Did the committee or you email all the members of vicsireland
>> individually to ensure that they are aware of the meeting?
>> 9. I've read the constitution and it covers a great deal. My original
>> observation in that I believe that a committee should be the driving force
>> rather than leaving it to the general membership is endorsed by the wording
>> of the constitution:
>> 2 AIMS & OBJECTIVES
>> list of 6 items
>> 1. To meet the needs of visually impaired
>> people in the area of general computer access.
>> 2. To provide support to those who are new to
>> computers.
>> 3. To encourage employers to hire visually
>> impaired employees enabled by new technology.
>> 4. To promote and where possible, assist in the
>> development of adaptive technology, and to encourage developers of new
>> software
>> and hardware to ensure accessibility.
>> 5. To act in an advisory capacity to bodies
>> seeking to provide access to electronic data.
>> 6. To advise on, and promote the development of
>> fully accessible websites.
>> There is plenty of topics that would keep any committee busy. Can you
>> provide any updates on recent developments under any of the headings?
>>
>> 9. The constitution states that: 2. Nominations may be made for persons not
>> present at the meeting, on receipt of written approval from the nominee.
>> This in itself opens the door to having a meeting on line as if a person is
>> nominated and accepted while not being there, they are being confirmed as
>> part of the working group i.e. committee
>> 10. Cearbhall suggest a project in developing the open source software
>> i.e. programs like Open office, mozilla, linox, N.V.D.A. This is a very
>> interesting idea. personally I wouldn't be great with the ligistics
>> involved, we could develop such a package on the basis that it could be
>> applied to the lower cost tablets for assisting individuals getting
>> accustomed to technology.
>> 11. What would people's attitude be to paid advertising on the website to
>> create a finance stream. The funds created could be used to finance
>> accessibility awards for design competitions for accessible software or
>> rewarding companies who make their websites accessible. School competitions
>> to develop accessible apps for USE BY BLIND PEOPLE OR BLIND USERS TO DEVELOP
>> APPS. This thought comes from the recent email from Ronan
>> 12. So, If I nominate and get a seconder for someone who might not be there
>> on the day Will it be accepted?
>> 13. Damien suggested to Kerie that he would help with an agendafor the
>> meetingAlas Kerie says that there is only 1 item to be discussed: there are
>> twelve items above to be considered.
>> 14. Martin pointed out to me that in the event of voting a separate email
>> would have to be used for all the votes. I think this would be fine, once
>> the motion is in the header people can reply to the motion with yes or no.
>> Alternatively, an email containing the motions can be forwarded to the
>> individuals on the list and they can put their preferred option in quotes
>> beside it.
>>
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