[vicsireland] Re: debate on vics and E.G.M
- From: Kerie Doyle <kerie.doyle1987@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 22:13:02 +0100
Thanks Cearbhall
Great to know, and much appreciated
Kerie
Sent from my iPhone
> On 6 Apr 2014, at 09:57 p.m., Cearbhall O'Meadhra <omeadhrac@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Kerie,
>
> Just to let you know that I am here and see your message. You have my full
> support for your position.
>
> All the best,
>
> Cearbhall
>
> M: 0833323487 t: (01) 2864623 em: omeadhrac@xxxxxxx
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:vicsireland-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kerie Doyle
> Sent: 06 April 2014 20:47
> To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [vicsireland] Re: debate on vics and E.G.M
>
> Gerard�
> I will need some time to process your email, I will respond to you when I
> have time to gather my thoughts.�
> For now though, I am going to ask you to please stop insisting that we have
> our EGM online, and also to leave the idea that the running of VICS is all
> down to the committee aside. This is not true and not constructive.�
> I will respond to the rest of your items soon�
> Kerie�
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 6 Apr 2014, at 08:23 p.m., GERARD SHANAHAN <gershan@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi All,
> �
> Back again to try and whet your appetites for a debate on the topics of
> having the meeting online and the future of vicsireland website and list.
> �
> 1.� Regarding the meeting, Kerie, I hear what you are saying but I
> strongly request that you consider my suggestion.� I don't know the numbers
> of members but I'm sure that if you review the membership,�you will note that
> there are a large contingent of people who have� or do not attend regularly,
> on the basis that they feel the effort involved in making the meeting i.e.
> trains, taxis a few hours in�Dublin would be too great an effort.� This is no
> reflection on you or any committee members just that they have no aspirations
> to be on committees but would be willing to work with the committee on
> projects on an email basis.I'd paraphrase this in saying that varying levels
> of vision and mobility either enhance or hinder individuals - People please
> don't be insulted as this is an observation.
> �
> 2.� I mentioned the website, and Cearbhall
> �
> �explained that it was an experiment by a sub committee.� O.K. but isn't
> it���a basic task of the committee to keep such tasks updated as part of
> housekeeping if the capability is available to it?
> �
> 3.� As a matter of point to the mailing list, Most queries are answered by
> other members but I did notice a request for information on windows 8 and
> menus on webpages recently which didn't receiveany response.� I was tempted
> to reply giving my thoughts which were unexperienced due to only experiencing
> win 8 by chance and being an X.P. user myself.Shouldn't there be some
> mechanism by which the knowledgable members of the committee would intervene
> and provide info.
> 4.� You stated that you emailed the list at the beginning of the year for
> ideas but nothing came out of it.� Shouldn't there be some kind of consensis
> among the committee at the beginning of the year on areas to be covered or
> projects to develop during the year.� There is a diverse range of abilities
> among the list members whom I'm sure would work with committee inspired
> projects, if they were approached.�
> 5.� Is the basis of the computer society eroded so much that it is easier
> to such the web for answers than to develop what we have.� Simple answer Yes,
> so what is the point, such an attitude
> could have been taken years ago.� success comes with effort.
> 6.� Observing the responses to date, I believe that the numbers involved
> have reduced in the society.� A committee has to consider where to canvas for
> new sources of members, did the committee consider this point?
> �
> 7.� What relationships or association has the society built up with other
> groups, industry user groups ovr the years and what is the position presently.
> 8.�In my reading of the constitution, you have to contact members at least
> 3 weeks previous to any meeting.� Besides putting a notice on the mailing
> list, Did the committee or you email all the members of vicsireland
> individually to ensure that they are aware of the meeting?
> 9.� I've read the constitution and it�covers a great deal.���My original
> observation in that I believe that a committee should be the driving force
> rather than leaving it to the general membership is endorsed by the wording
> of the constitution:�
> 2 AIMS & OBJECTIVES
> list of 6 items
> 1.� To meet the needs of visually impaired
> people in the area of general computer access.
> 2.� To provide support to those who are new to
> computers.
> 3.� To encourage employers to hire visually
> impaired employees enabled by new technology.
> 4.� To promote and where possible, assist in the
> development of adaptive technology, and to encourage developers of new
> software
> and hardware to ensure accessibility.
> 5.� To act in an advisory capacity to bodies
> seeking to provide access to electronic data.
> 6.� To advise on, and promote the development of
> fully accessible websites.
>
> There is plenty of topics that would keep any committee busy.�� Can you
> provide any updates on recent developments under any of the headings?
> �
> 9.�The constitution states that:� 2.� Nominations may be made for persons
> not
> present at the meeting, on receipt of written approval from the nominee.�
> This in itself opens the door to having a meeting on line as if a person is
> nominated and accepted while not being there, they are being confirmed as
> part of the working group i.e. committee
> ��10.�Cearbhall suggest a project in developing the open source software
> i.e. programs like Open office, mozilla, linox, N.V.D.A.� This is a very
> interesting idea.� personally I wouldn't be great with the ligistics
> involved, we could develop such a package on the basis that it could be
> applied to the lower cost tablets for assisting individuals getting
> accustomed to technology.
> 11.� What would people's attitude be to paid advertising on the website to
> create a finance stream.�� The funds created could be used to finance
> accessibility awards for design competitions for accessible software or
> rewarding companies who make their websites accessible.� School competitions
> to develop�accessible apps for USE BY BLIND PEOPLE OR BLIND USERS TO DEVELOP
> APPS.� This thought comes from the recent email from Ronan
> 12.� So, If I nominate and get a seconder for someone who might not be
> there on the day Will it be accepted?
> 13.� Damien suggested to Kerie that he would help with an agendafor the
> meetingAlas Kerie says that there is only 1 item to be discussed:� there are
> twelve items above to be considered.
> 14.� Martin pointed out to me that in the event of voting a separate email
> would have to be used for all the votes. I think this would be fine,� once
> the motion is in the header people can reply to the motion with yes or
> no.�Alternatively, an email containing the motions can be forwarded to the
> individuals on the list and they can put their preferred option in quotes
> beside it.�
>
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