Hi, This topic while helpful is not strictly access, technology related. Alternative formats are more of a general access issue and with moderator hat on head, I respectfully ask that these in future be directed to more appropriate lists. FYI here's a large list of VI Related lists as well as more mainstream lists, http://www.whitestick.co.uk/mail.html Regards, Barry List Admin -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hazel & Kim Darvell Sent: 20 April 2012 12:34 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: opinions wanted My thoughts Derek exactly, but there is no mystery I will reveal all. The product was Jot a dot, has that satisfied people. Yes we did want audio instructions but as the order is now cancelled the issue is closed. I just wait for feedback on the complaint. Hope some have a good nights sleep now. Hazel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: opinions wanted > But is it relevant to the issue? > Customer needs instructions in audio. > This has been refused! > > Are you saying it depends on what the product is, > As to whether it's reasonable to refuse format of choice > For the instructions. > > Regards, Derek > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of > Eleanor Burke > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:41 AM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: opinions wanted > > I asked yesterday too and got no reply. Sorry if I purchase a can opener > for example from RNIB I do not expect nor look for instructions in my > preferred format. Now I know the item cost over a hundred pounds but > again > if I purchased say a perkins brailler which cost in the region of four > hundred pounds I would not look for instructions for it. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:34 AM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: opinions wanted > > >> That's a good question. >> >> Iain >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eleanor Burke >> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:19 AM >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: opinions wanted >> >> Why is there such a mystery about the product? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hazel & Kim Darvell" <darvell1181@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:12 AM >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: opinions wanted >> >> >>> Further to your explanation below The email was read to me from the >>> alternate format department and clearly stated they were not prepared >>> to do either audio which we wanted or braille. >>> On this basis we cancelled the order. >>> I am waiting for feedback from my complaint and see what excuses they >>> come up with. >>> Hazel >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Long, Alison" <Alison.Long@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 9:30 AM >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: opinions wanted >>> >>> >>>> Hello >>>> Sorry for coming late to this thread. Our policy is to provide >>>> accessible instructions for all products we sell, and we do encourage >>>> manufacturers to play their part. We do not hold instructions for all >>>> products in all formats as a matter of course, but take a practical >>>> approach depending on the product. For instance we don't produce >>>> and hold stock of braille instructions for video magnifiers, but if >>>> a customer requests braille instructions, we'll produce them. >>>> >>>> In this case the instructions are provided in the box by the >>>> manufacturer in a range of formats, but unfortunately not audio. >>>> Our first approach would always be to request them from the >>>> manufacturer, if this was not successful, we would produce them. >>>> Given there is a Word file available, we'd be able to generate an audio > edition very quickly. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Alison >>>> >>>> >>>> Alison Long >>>> Products & Publications Team >>>> RNIB >>>> Bakewell Road >>>> Orton Southgate >>>> Peterborough >>>> PE2 6XU >>>> Tel: +44 (0)1733 375178 >>>> www.rnib.org./shop >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >>>> Behalf Of Hazel & Kim Darvell >>>> Sent: 19 April 2012 16:38 >>>> To: access u k >>>> Subject: [access-uk] opinions wanted >>>> >>>> Thanks to all who have responded. >>>> Actually the type of product does not matter, but it would have >>>> cost over £100 . >>>> Our intelligence as to how to use simple product was not taken >>>> kindly thanks for that. >>>> on the product page it stated that on line instructions were there >>>> but were not, even a member of staff could not find them. >>>> And yes I have made a complaint. >>>> Hazel & KimAs for on line instructions >>>> >>>> >>>> Click here <https://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/wQw0zmjPoHdJTZGyOCrrhg==> >>>> to report this email as spam. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Changes to benefits payments will hit blind and partially sighted >>>> people hard. 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