[gps-talkusers] Re: communicating productively about the Seeing Eye app

  • From: Ari Moisio <arimo@xxxxxx>
  • To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 08:30:11 +0300 (EEST)

Hi

Foursquare POIS are not the most accurate locations available: they are collected by ordinary users who usually have no clue about gps accuracy and how to get best results. Some are collected even on places where there is no gps coverage available. Because 4S sorts the venues according their popularity this is hard to notice.



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 Alex Hall kirjoitti
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: communicating productively about the Seeing Eye
    app
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2014 22:55:17 -0400
From: Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

This is bound to happen with any map provider. I don't use the Seeing Eye app, 
but Blindsquare keeps telling me that there's a super Wal-Mart as I walk down a 
particular street. The problem is that said Wal-Mart, were it to appear where 
Blindsquare insists, would crush an intersection and a bunch of houses. The 
actual building is about two miles away from where the map says it is. I'm not 
down-playing anyone's experiences, but remember that inaccuracies will happen 
in any mapping system.
On Jul 6, 2014, at 10:50 PM, bob cavanaugh <bobdavcav@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I've run into those kinds of things myself. I live not too far from a little
strip mall which among other things has a Safeway, a Supercuts, and a T.J.
Max. There are a number of smaller businesses that were there at one point
but are now gone, yet they're still listed in Seeing Eye. Also, though I
haven't checked this one in a while, I used to go to this Trampoline place
in Bellevue but it's now closed. Last I checked, it was still in the map
data, though I haven't checked in a while.

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[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ray Carette
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 9:35 AM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: communicating productively about the Seeing Eye
app

I have run into symilar probblems except that wht I find is some landmarks
that it gives are either way off i.e Pappajohns Pizza used to be at the
corner of Concord and Elm streets here in Manchester NH but has not been
there for at least 1-2 years. Also Manchester Housing Authority (MHRA, they
have it at Chestnut and Hanover that one is actually located at Pine and
hanover which is 1 block East of where the map says it is. I do not know if
that is before or after update since I am new to this app so I won't comment
on that either way. I will say thoughas far as directions and most landmarks
are concerned, I find it to be very useful and I'm confident that it is only
going to improve as time goes on. I would also like to thank the folks who
have made it possible for us blind/visual impaired folks to have a reliable
source for directions to places as that hass never been possible before so
dispite some immperfections, let's be thankful for the work that has been
put forth thus far and the work that continues to be put towards
improvement.

On 7/5/14, sunshine <sunshine817@xxxxxxx> wrote:
I'll be glad to see the new update. I use my GPS in motorized mode and
the problem I find is that destinations are announced long before we
get to them. I find that 5 to 10 minutes later is when we've actually
arrived. The directions given are great and I like using motorized
mode when on paratransit or in a cab. I sure can tell how off course
para is and try to guide them in the right direction! I just can't
successfully search for pois. I'm told that pois I know are within ten
miles  don't exist. That didn't seem to be a problem until after the
last upgrade! So, Mike, I'll be anxious to hear what the next upgrade
has to offer. I've not used pedestrian mode only because I don't have
a safe carrier for my cell phone so I generally use my Trekker Breeze.
In any case, it could be that geographically there might be better
success in some locations than in others.


----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Arrigo <n0oxy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Saturday, July 5, 2014 8:07 pm
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: communicating productively about the
Seeing Eye app



I tend to switch back and forth, in many cases I will use the tomtom
pois since blsquare handles pois from foursquare. I have found, at
least in this area, that using the tomtom maps provides a much more
accurate address than open street maps does.
On Jul 5, 2014, at 7:44 PM, Mary Otten <motten53@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I like the 4 square pois. Yes, there is some junk, but also lots of
new stuff not available elsewhere.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 5, 2014, at 5:33 PM, "bob cavanaugh" <bobdavcav@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

That's cool, Mike. I'll be looking forward to the new version. I
mainly use Foresquare and it comes up with some interesting stuff,
but part of the problem is it comes up with junk people put up with no
information.
For example, it comes up with intersections and trail heads as
points of interest, which are not that useful to me when I'm just
looking to see what's around. I think a better crowd-sourced
solution would be to somehow upload the data you've already
gathered from having a GPS product for the BrailleNote and other
devices to the Seeing Eye servers, then allowing us to add to
those pois, much like is already possible with the BN and other
products. I'm also not sure what the issue with Foresquare pois
is, but it'll tell me well before 50 miles from the current location
that there are no more pois around.

From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael
May
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 4:21 PM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] communicating productively about the
Seeing Eye app

Hello List,

I would like to address the recent emails about the Seeing Eye app
in two parts. First I will talk about productive communications
and separately about specific map data and feature items.

There is nothing to be gained by insulting a person especially
using profanity. Neither are allowed on this list. Most
importantly, those type of comments are not going to make an app
improve. Sendero welcomes all respectful feedback on this list or
privately.

Anyone who knows me personally or who knows Sendero can testify to
the fact that Sendero does listen. Just because we can't do
something about an issue doesn't mean we aren't hearing you. The
mere fact that several of us monitor and respond on this list
should be strong indication of our commitment.

In fact, Sendero would never have created an iPhone app if it
weren't for users urging us to do so. There is little value in a
for-profit company having a low volume low priced app. The money
just isn't there to be profitable. The American Printing House for
the Blind  is a large nonprofit that doesn't have to make Nearby
Explorer app pay for itself.
Some users complain about $69 being a high price for our app but
this doesn't come close to paying for the initial development or
future development. Only the most benevolent for-profit companies
can justify creating an accessibility app.

I am very sorry to hear about these experiences of the Seeing Eye
app not working well for some of you. I use it every day quite
successfully and we hear the same from many users. We will have a
new release shortly at this anniversary of the first release and I
will be curious to hear how that impacts those of you not liking the
TomTom maps.

I will comment further once that update is out.

Mike


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