hi mike hope this get through as i am doing it on my braille device. i have always thought sendero has been my best option for gps as i am a piano tuner and totally blind. i am lucky to have the apex but now am wondering about the android element of gps. i also have the iphone which is truly great as it is so portable my old nokia e 65 is on its way out and though late on this thread are sendero putting the gps on the android like the symbian verssion of their product. here in the uk i will be at sight village and hope to look at the android gps market if sendero are there. i need portability and the iphone apex and and the android comes in to play here. cheers there. Ing----comIng Original Message Ing----comIng From: Mike Arrigo Ing"nforoxythecharterddnet0Ing To: Inggps-talkusersthefreelistsddorgIng Date: Tuesday, 7 Jun 2011 21.56.04 Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: sendero GPS on iphone and android 0 0 0 I agree with you about Microsoft and Accessibility, they really dropped 0 the ball with Windows Phone 7. Fortunately, there are alternatives. I 0 only use a mac at home now, and I use an iphone and android for 0 different things. The fact is, windows mobile 6 is a dying breed, both 0 on phones and note takers. It simply makes no sense to pay more for 0 these note takers, when you can get a laptop for much less, and they do 0 more. For Sendero, it makes sense to expand their product on to IOS and 0 Android. Right now, Android is the top smart phone OS in the world. 0 Symbian was decent, but like windows mobile, it's on the way out. You 0 can still get Symbian phones, but it makes no sense to buy in to a 0 platform that is dying fast. Android and IOS are the operating systems 0 to have and use for mobile devices, at least for the next few years probably. 0 Original message: 0 0 Yes, and had Microsoft come up with good accessibility standards, etc. 0 0 and stood by them including with their own software we would be a lot 0 0 better off now than the never ending battle for access to Windows that 0 0 will never end. 0 0 0 So, if a developer wants the freedom to do things their way without 0 0 following Apple's rules they can go to Android, and be a sloppy 0 0 developer and never have to worry about being told that their work is 0 0 inferior and the end user suffers as a result. 0 0 0 Apply those same principals in a business and the company would go 0 0 under because their software developers would refuse to work together 0 0 to come up with applications that will allow the company to do the 0 0 things they need to do. 0 0 0 0 0 0 Ing----comIngOriginal MessageIng----comIng 0 0 From: Inggps-talkusers-bouncethefreelistsddorgIng 0 0 Ingofmailtoccgps-talkusers-bouncethefreelistsddorgwithIng On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo 0 0 Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 6.26 PM 0 0 To: Inggps-talkusersthefreelistsddorgIng 0 0 Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: sendero GPS on iphone and android 0 0 0 Well, that can be a risk of any operating system, the best way to avoid 0 0 that is good old fashion common sense, granted, on IOS that's probably 0 0 not as much of a risk, but you're stuck having to do everything the way 0 0 Apple wants, don't get me wrong, I like both platforms, but for 0 0 different reasons. 0 0 On Jun 6, 2011, at 7.24 AM, Tanner, David (DEED) wrote: 0 0 0was And, of course, with Android you get the added pleasure of all the 0 0was malware that comes along with it for free. 0 0 0 0 0 0was Ing----comIngOriginal MessageIng----comIng 0 0was From: Inggps-talkusers-bouncethefreelistsddorgIng 0 0was Ingofmailtoccgps-talkusers-bouncethefreelistsddorgwithIng On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo 0 0was Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 6.55 PM 0 0was To: Inggps-talkusersthefreelistsddorgIng 0 0was Subject: [gps-talkusers] sendero GPS on iphone and android 0 0 0was Hey everyone, was thinking a bit more about the possibility of the full 0 0was Sendero GPS product being developed on the iphone and Android. 0 0was Actually, I would think it would be easier on Android than the iphone 0 0was for a couple of reasons. First, Android allows self voicing apps to be 0 0was developed much easier. On the iphone, there is no way for applications 0 0was to speak using the TTs engine that is built in to the iphone, which is 0 0was what voiceover uses. So, Sendero would need to either include their own 0 0was tts engine, which would increase cost, or rely on voiceover to read 0 0was everything, which would not allow the app to really be used in the 0 0was background. Also, there would be no easy way to copy maps to the 0 0was iphone, unless the entire country was included in the app the way 0 0was Navigon and TomTom work. Or, it could just download maps as it needs 0 0was them the way the look around app does, but the TTS would still be a 0 0was major issue. On the other hand, Android would not have any of these 0 0was problems. It provides an AP 0 0 I 0 0was to create talking applications, and it works in the background, the 0 0was way Google navigation does. Also, copying maps to Android devices is 0 0was easy since you can just connect the phone in mass storage mode and copy 0 0was the maps to the SD card. And of course, with android, there is no 0 0was approval process to deal with, which is why the look around app could 0 0was be updated so fast. 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