And, you certainly can have a Bluetooth Braille display linked to that iPhone that may cost as much as $5,000 cheaper than an Apex. Even if you chose a 40 column display you could do that for over $3,000 cheaper than a BrailleNote Apex even before adding the cost of the GPS for the Apex. -----Original Message----- From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Gallagher Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 5:44 AM To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: sendero GPS on iphone and android Good point yes you can have the phone in a top pocket. the only thing with the iphone is that the inbuilt gps is not as sensative as the external gps devices. At 11:20 08/06/2011, you wrote: >The one thing I would like to point out is that, if you have an Apex or >any modern Sense notetaker, you can use it as a braille display and >keyboard with an iPhone or any other iTouch. That means that you do not >need to hear the speech when your surroundings are too noisy. >Android is not even close to such a capability; they have not touched >accessibility in the last three or four upgrades, as far as I know. > >On 6/8/11, john gallagher <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > hi mike hope this get through as i am doing it on my braille device. > > i have always thought sendero has been my best option for gps as i > > am a > piano tuner > > and totally blind. i am lucky to have the apex but now am wondering > > about the android element of gps. i also have the iphone which is > > truly great as it is so portable my old nokia e 65 is on its way out > > and though late on this thread are sendero putting the gps on the > > android like the symbian verssion of their product. here in the uk i > > will be at sight village and hope to look at the android gps market > > if sendero are there. i need portability and the iphone apex and and the > > android comes in to play here. > > cheers there. > > > > Ing----comIng Original Message Ing----comIng > > From: Mike Arrigo Ing"nforoxythecharterddnet0Ing > > To: Inggps-talkusersthefreelistsddorgIng > > Date: Tuesday, 7 Jun 2011 21.56.04 > > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: sendero GPS on iphone and android > > > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 I agree with you about Microsoft and Accessibility, they really > > dropped > > 0 the ball with Windows Phone 7. Fortunately, there are > > alternatives. I > > 0 only use a mac at home now, and I use an iphone and android for > > 0 different things. The fact is, windows mobile 6 is a dying breed, > > both > > 0 on phones and note takers. It simply makes no sense to pay more > > for > > 0 these note takers, when you can get a laptop for much less, and > > they do > > 0 more. For Sendero, it makes sense to expand their product on to > > IOS and > > 0 Android. Right now, Android is the top smart phone OS in the world. > > 0 Symbian was decent, but like windows mobile, it's on the way out. > > You > > 0 can still get Symbian phones, but it makes no sense to buy in to a > > 0 platform that is dying fast. Android and IOS are the operating > > systems > > 0 to have and use for mobile devices, at least for the next few > > years probably. > > 0 Original message: > > 0 0 Yes, and had Microsoft come up with good accessibility standards, etc. > > 0 0 and stood by them including with their own software we would be > > a lot > > 0 0 better off now than the never ending battle for access to > > Windows that > > 0 0 will never end. > > 0 > > 0 0 So, if a developer wants the freedom to do things their way > > without > > 0 0 following Apple's rules they can go to Android, and be a sloppy > > 0 0 developer and never have to worry about being told that their > > work is > > 0 0 inferior and the end user suffers as a result. > > 0 > > 0 0 Apply those same principals in a business and the company would > > go > > 0 0 under because their software developers would refuse to work > > together > > 0 0 to come up with applications that will allow the company to do > > the > > 0 0 things they need to do. > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 0 Ing----comIngOriginal MessageIng----comIng > > 0 0 From: Inggps-talkusers-bouncethefreelistsddorgIng > > 0 0 Ingofmailtoccgps-talkusers-bouncethefreelistsddorgwithIng On > > Behalf Of Mike Arrigo > > 0 0 Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 6.26 PM > > 0 0 To: Inggps-talkusersthefreelistsddorgIng > > 0 0 Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: sendero GPS on iphone and android > > 0 > > 0 0 Well, that can be a risk of any operating system, the best way > > to avoid > > 0 0 that is good old fashion common sense, granted, on IOS that's > > probably > > 0 0 not as much of a risk, but you're stuck having to do everything > > the way > > 0 0 Apple wants, don't get me wrong, I like both platforms, but for > > 0 0 different reasons. > > 0 0 On Jun 6, 2011, at 7.24 AM, Tanner, David (DEED) wrote: > > 0 > > 0 0was And, of course, with Android you get the added pleasure of > > all the > > 0 0was malware that comes along with it for free. > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 > > 0 0was Ing----comIngOriginal MessageIng----comIng > > 0 0was From: Inggps-talkusers-bouncethefreelistsddorgIng > > 0 0was Ingofmailtoccgps-talkusers-bouncethefreelistsddorgwithIng On > > Behalf Of Mike Arrigo > > 0 0was Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 6.55 PM > > 0 0was To: Inggps-talkusersthefreelistsddorgIng > > 0 0was Subject: [gps-talkusers] sendero GPS on iphone and android > > 0 > > 0 0was Hey everyone, was thinking a bit more about the possibility > > of the full > > 0 0was Sendero GPS product being developed on the iphone and Android. > > 0 0was Actually, I would think it would be easier on Android than > the iphone > > 0 0was for a couple of reasons. First, Android allows self voicing > > apps to be > > 0 0was developed much easier. On the iphone, there is no way for > > applications > > 0 0was to speak using the TTs engine that is built in to the iphone, > > which is > > 0 0was what voiceover uses. So, Sendero would need to either include > > their own > > 0 0was tts engine, which would increase cost, or rely on voiceover > > to read > > 0 0was everything, which would not allow the app to really be used > > in the > > 0 0was background. Also, there would be no easy way to copy maps to > > the > > 0 0was iphone, unless the entire country was included in the app the > > way > > 0 0was Navigon and TomTom work. Or, it could just download maps as > > it needs > > 0 0was them the way the look around app does, but the TTS would > > still be a > > 0 0was major issue. On the other hand, Android would not have any of > > these > > 0 0was problems. It provides an AP > > 0 0 I > > 0 0was to create talking applications, and it works in the > > background, the > > 0 0was way Google navigation does. Also, copying maps to Android > > devices is > > 0 0was easy since you can just connect the phone in mass storage > > mode and copy > > 0 0was the maps to the SD card. And of course, with android, there > > is no > > 0 0was approval process to deal with, which is why the look > around app could > > 0 0was be updated so fast. 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